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The conversation is about finding a legitimate source for RU58841 in Germany, with suggestions including Receptorchem and GeneTherica. Anageninc and Chemyo do not deliver to Germany.

The user is experiencing irritation from using PG with RU58841 and is seeking alternative solutions like K&B in the UK. They report redness, itchiness, and flaky skin from the current treatment.

Hmi115, a prolactin receptor blocker, showed promise for hair growth, but results from Phase 2 trials have not been published. ABS-201, an AI-based analog, is expected to begin trials in December 2025, while commercialization of treatments like PP-405 is anticipated around 2027.

Glycine may upregulate 5AR, potentially affecting hair. Users suggest using Finasteride to manage hair loss concerns.

User asks if HMI 115 hasn't done phase 1 for AGA in humans. Conversation includes treatments Min, Fin, and RU.

RU58841 lacks FDA approval due to financial and safety concerns, including potential cardiological side effects. The company abandoned further research, and users report adverse effects like heart palpitations and gynecomastia.

The conversation discusses how different factors can stimulate type 1 and type 2 isoforms of 5-alpha reductase, which are enzymes linked to hair loss. Specific treatments mentioned include oral Dutasteride and topical Finasteride.

AH-001 is a new topical treatment designed to degrade androgen receptors, targeting the root cause of androgenetic alopecia without the side effects of oral treatments like finasteride. It has shown a strong safety profile and good local tolerability in early trials.

Rhamnose may promote hair growth and pigmentation, suggesting it as a potential hair loss treatment. The conversation discusses its potential alongside known treatments like Minoxidil, finasteride, and RU58841.

Glycine supplementation may increase 5-alpha reductase activity, potentially affecting hair loss. Users discuss its impact on hair fall and its role in the body.

Fluridil may decrease the number of androgen receptors in hair follicles by up to 95%. This suggests a different action mechanism from other non-steroidal antiandrogens like RU58841, indicating they might be used together.

Fluridil degrades androgen receptors, which are prevalent in the scalp and other tissues. People with androgenetic alopecia (AGA) may have higher expression of these receptors and 5AR activity in affected scalp areas.

Finasteride and dutasteride are discussed for hair loss, with concerns about their effects on neurosteroids and potential side effects like depression. Alternatives like topical estrogen and lifestyle changes are considered, with varying opinions on mental health and hair regrowth.

The conversation discusses the effectiveness of reducing DHT for hair loss treatment and explores alternative approaches like reducing androgen receptor sensitivity. Specific treatments mentioned include finasteride, dutasteride, pyrilutamide (KX-826), GT20029, and RU58841.

RU58841 worsened hair condition, causing thinning and unusual patterns. The user stopped using it two months ago but hasn't seen recovery, and there's speculation about androgen receptor upregulation.

GHK-Cu peptide injections are discussed for hair growth, but users report mixed results and suggest focusing on DHT management first. Some users combine GHK-Cu with treatments like Minoxidil and Dutasteride, but emphasize its benefits for skin rather than hair.

HMI-115 is a new drug developed by Bioinvent and licensed by Bayer, with mixed opinions on its potential effectiveness. Some users are skeptical and prefer proven treatments like Minoxidil, finasteride, and RU58841.

The conversation discusses the absorption and effectiveness of PG-free versus PG versions of RU58841, with some users believing PG improves efficacy while others see no difference. Concerns about RU58841's potential side effects on the endocrine system are also mentioned, with one user considering switching to pyrilutamide.

Reducing the dose of RU58841 from 25mg to 7.5mg topically helped minimize heart palpitations. Users discussed the cardiac effects of RU58841 and minoxidil, noting that no treatment is completely free of side effects.

Hair loss treatments discussed include Minoxidil, Finasteride, and RU58841. HMI-115, a monoclonal antibody drug, is in phase 1 and 2 trials for different conditions, but its availability on the gray market is unlikely due to high production costs.

DLQ01, a prostaglandin F2α analog, shows promise for hair growth by directly stimulating PGE2/PGF receptors without needing conversion, and can be combined with minoxidil and retinoids like tretinoin for enhanced effectiveness. Minoxidil's efficacy may be reduced by COX-1 inhibitors, but using prostaglandin analogs like Latanoprost or Bimatoprost can help maintain its effectiveness.

Clascoterone in Winlevi, a topical AR antagonist, is being re-examined due to concerns about HPA axis suppression in adolescents, but it's unlikely to be banned for adult use in androgenetic alopecia (AGA). The European Medicines Agency recommended refusing Winlevi for acne vulgaris, but this may not affect Breezula's approval for AGA.

RU58841's side effects may be exaggerated due to anxiety, with some users experiencing no issues and others reporting symptoms like chest pain. RU58841, minoxidil, and finasteride are used for hair loss treatment, with varying individual reactions.

RU58841's potential side effects, particularly heart palpitations, are debated, with some attributing them to contamination with minoxidil. Users report mixed experiences, with some seeing no side effects and others cautioning about the lack of reliable data on RU58841's safety.

GHK-Cu is being considered for hair growth, but users report mixed results. Some use it alongside other treatments like 5AR inhibitors, making it hard to determine its effectiveness.

Rejuv-3X, a topical blend with GHK-Cu, AHK-Cu, and JXL-089, is used for hair loss, offering a targeted option without finasteride's side effects. The user plans to combine it with microneedling for enhanced results.

The conversation discusses androgen receptor degraders for hair loss, highlighting their potential advantages over traditional AR blockers like RU58841 and pyrilutamide. Concerns about the safety and cost of these treatments are also mentioned.

GHK-CU is not considered as effective for hair loss as finasteride, minoxidil, or RU58841, with many users reporting minimal benefits. Some users experienced skin improvements, but its impact on hair is debated and often attributed to concurrent use of other treatments.

KX-826 Phase II results show that a 0.5% concentration performs better than 1% for treating male pattern baldness. Concerns about receptor upregulation from long-term DHT antagonism were mentioned.

The conversation discusses using gartanin from mangosteen mixed with castor oil to degrade the androgen receptor for hair loss treatment. Alternatives like setipiprant, minoxidil, and dermastamping are also mentioned, with concerns about cost and potential side effects.