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The conversation discusses androgen receptor degraders for hair loss, highlighting their potential advantages over traditional AR blockers like RU58841 and pyrilutamide. Concerns about the safety and cost of these treatments are also mentioned.

Exploring different treatments for hair loss, such as cosmeRNA and HMI-115 which are small interference messenger RNA that inhibits the DHT receptor and an antibody that binds to the prolactin (PRL) receptor respectively; and researching mechanism and environment of hyperresponders.

The conversation discusses a user's plan to inject NAD+ and GHK-Cu into their scalp to improve hair health, with concerns raised about the risks of infection and necrosis. Alternatives like finasteride, dutasteride, microneedling, oral minoxidil, and scalp massages are suggested.

The conversation discusses using GHK Cu + AHK Cu peptides combined with topical dutasteride and minoxidil for hair regrowth. It mentions negative side effects of finasteride and promotes a specific copper peptide serum.

RU58841 and pyrilutamide are being discussed as potential hair loss treatments, with some users reporting side effects. There is interest in these treatments as alternatives to 5ar inhibitors and oral minoxidil due to concerns about safety and side effects.

User asks if HMI 115 hasn't done phase 1 for AGA in humans. Conversation includes treatments Min, Fin, and RU.

The conversation is about when GT20029, a hair loss treatment, might be available on the grey market, with users discussing the challenges of compounding it and speculating it might be available after phase 2 results, similar to pyri. Specific treatments mentioned are pyri, RU58841, and GT20029.

A user started using RU58841 for hair loss and experienced anxiety and physical discomfort. Other users suggested avoiding the treatment due to similar side effects and recommended alternative treatments like pyri.

User tried oral finasteride, topical finasteride, topical dutasteride, and RU58841 but experienced side effects. They discuss upcoming treatments like clascoterone, pyrilutamide, gt20029, and KY19382 as potential options.

Comparing the effectiveness of RU58841, Pyrilutamide and CB-03-01 as treatments for hair loss, with people discussing different aspects such as binding affinity, time of inhibition, safety data and cost.

The conversation discusses using a multimodal approach to treat androgenic alopecia, including substances like gamma-linolenic acid, DHA, sulforaphane, melatonin, cetirizine, astaxanthin, fisetin, apigenin, curcumin, limonene, genistein, and berberine. Users also mention using ketoconazole, minoxidil, and low-level laser therapy (LLLT) as part of their hair loss treatment regimens.

The conversation discusses the potential of topical rapamycin, metformin, and alpha-ketoglutarate (a-KG) for hair growth, with skepticism expressed about their effectiveness based on personal experience and existing use. It also mentions AICAR, known as cardarine or GW, which is not suitable for long-term use due to cancer risks in animal studies and its similarity to metformin.

DLQ01, a prostaglandin F2α analog, shows promise for hair growth by directly stimulating PGE2/PGF receptors without needing conversion, and can be combined with minoxidil and retinoids like tretinoin for enhanced effectiveness. Minoxidil's efficacy may be reduced by COX-1 inhibitors, but using prostaglandin analogs like Latanoprost or Bimatoprost can help maintain its effectiveness.

The conversation discusses GT20029, a compound by Kintor Pharma that degrades androgen receptors and is in trials, with potential as a hair loss cure. Another promising treatment mentioned is an antibody that blocks prolactin and has shown positive results in macaques.

Hair loss treatments discussed include Minoxidil, Finasteride, and RU58841. HMI-115, a monoclonal antibody drug, is in phase 1 and 2 trials for different conditions, but its availability on the gray market is unlikely due to high production costs.

Rhamnose may promote hair growth and pigmentation, suggesting it as a potential hair loss treatment. The conversation discusses its potential alongside known treatments like Minoxidil, finasteride, and RU58841.

RU and Pyri block androgen receptors to prevent hair loss but may also hinder hair regrowth since they prevent testosterone, which can stimulate hair growth, from binding to these receptors. The user is questioning if this understanding is correct.

The user has been using finasteride for hair loss and is considering adding RU58841. They ask about RU58841's effectiveness, potential heart side effects, duration of action, dosage increase over time, transitioning to GT20029, and where to find the liquid form.

Various hair growth treatments were discussed, including microneedling, bimatoprost, setipiprant, stemoxydine, PGE2, CB-03-01, WNT Beta-Catenin upregulators, KY19382, topical estrogen, IGF-1, GH, MK-677, oral castor oil, fisetin, resveratrol, cetrizine, and lactic acid. Users shared experiences and sources for these treatments, with some expressing interest in topical solutions and others noting the lack of FDA approval or scientific evidence for certain options.

Reducing the dose of RU58841 from 25mg to 7.5mg topically helped minimize heart palpitations. Users discussed the cardiac effects of RU58841 and minoxidil, noting that no treatment is completely free of side effects.

RU58841 and Minoxidil can cause heart-related side effects like chest pain and heart racing. Pyrilutamide is suggested as a safer alternative, though it's new and costly.

Pyrilutamide and RU58841 are androgen receptor antagonists that block receptors without significantly reducing testosterone or DHT levels. Any indirect effect on androgen levels is likely negligible.

The user experienced side effects from spironolactone and is seeking alternatives for androgenetic alopecia (AGA), considering saw palmetto but unsure of its effectiveness. They are also exploring the possibility of using topical spironolactone, despite availability challenges.

People discussed their experiences with anti-androgens for hair loss, mentioning side effects like chest pains with RU58841 and skepticism due to lack of safety data, while considering Fluridil as a potential addition to treatment. Some users expressed reluctance to use these chemicals.

A user who was part of an ongoing trial for a prolactin blocker and had regrowth, but the progress photos were not shared due to negative reactions from other users. Treatments mentioned include HMI-115, Minoxidil, Finasteride, and RU58841.

A 23-year-old started using 0.5mg Dutasteride and 2.5mg Minoxidil daily for hair loss and is considering adding RU58841 or GHK-cu. Users suggest waiting a few months before adding anything and mention Koshine's kx-826 as a potentially better alternative to RU58841.

The GT20029 tincture, a topical androgen receptor degrader, showed significant hair growth and good safety in a China Phase II trial for male androgenetic alopecia (AGA), with the 1% dose twice weekly identified as optimal. The company plans to initiate Phase III trials in China and Phase II in the U.S., and the treatment also shows promise for acne.

FCE 28260 (PNU 156765), an under-explored 5α-reductase inhibitor, showcases promising results in research by Giudici et al., outperforming well-known treatments like Finasteride in reducing the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Its superior efficacy, demonstrated through lower IC50 values in both natural and human recombinant enzyme studies, suggests it could offer more effective management of DHT-related conditions. Additionally, its lower molecular weight hints at better potential for topical application, potentially offering advantages in treating conditions such as androgenic alopecia. Despite its potential, it has not advanced in development, possibly due to financial limitations, leaving its therapeutic prospects and side effect profile largely unexplored.

The conversation is about the difficulty in obtaining GT20029, a hair loss treatment, due to patent issues and the need to resort to group buys or Chinese labs for acquisition. Specific treatments mentioned include Minoxidil, finasteride, and RU58841.

RU58841's side effects may be exaggerated due to anxiety, with some users experiencing no issues and others reporting symptoms like chest pain. RU58841, minoxidil, and finasteride are used for hair loss treatment, with varying individual reactions.